Summary of The Ambio Podcast: Episode 1

Ambio Life Sciences founders Trevor Millar, Jonathan Dickinson, and Jose Inzunza introduce The Ambio Podcast, focusing on their work with the powerful psychedelic ibogaine. Episode 1 delves into their personal journeys and motivations for working with ibogaine.

Jonathan discusses his experiences with being prescribed various medications during his youth, and how psychedelics, particularly ibogaine, played a significant role in his healing. Jose speaks about his first encounter with ibogaine as a paramedic and how witnessing its effects on a patient profoundly influenced his career path. Trevor reflects on how psychedelics reignited a sense of magic and possibility in his life, which had previously been lost.

Jonathan, Trevor, and Jose emphasize ibogaine’s unique ability to aid in detoxification from substances like heroin without the typical painful withdrawal symptoms. They discuss ibogaine’s potential in treating a range of conditions beyond addiction, including traumatic brain injuries, Parkinson’s disease, multiple sclerosis, fibromyalgia, and lupus.

The Ambio Podcast aims to bridge the gap between scientific and spiritual perspectives on psychedelics. Featuring stories from individuals who have undergone ibogaine treatment, exploring various aspects of ibogaine therapy – including detoxification, optimization and regeneration, and highlighting insights from prominent figures in the psychedelic community.

The Ambio Podcast’s first episode sets the stage for an engaging series that will delve deep into the multifaceted world of ibogaine and psychedelics, combining personal stories, scientific exploration, and broader cultural discussions.

Full Podcast Transcript

Trevor Millar: I’m Trevor Millar.

Jonathan Dickinson: I’m Jonathan Dickinson.

Jose Inzunza: I’m Jose Inzunza.

Trevor Millar: And this is The Ambio Podcast.

Jose Inzunza: Welcome you all!

Jonathan Dickinson: Right, guys, our first episode.

Jose Inzunza: I know, I’m super excited to be here. I mean, we’re taking Saturday, and have been resting at home. And it’s like, let’s do this.

Trevor Millar: Let’s do this.

Jose Inzunza: Jump into this.

Trevor Millar: It’s funny. We spend all this time together all week. And we thought why don’t we spend more time together.

Jose Inzunza: To share with each other about this kind of stuff but record it!

Trevor Millar: Yeah. So I guess for people who may one day be our audience, we are Jonathan, Trevor, Jose. And we are partners in a business called Ambio Life Sciences. We have a unique occupation in that we provide the most powerful psychedelic on Earth to people for multiple different reasons. And we all came into this in different ways. But we came together, which is the important part. And we’ve created a really special little thing that I think we’ve survived so far, on word of mouth, but we recognize that we are doing something super cool and more people should know about it. So what’s the cool thing to do these days? Let’s start a fucking podcast. No, are we gonna swear on our podcast? I think we just did. Yeah. Especially with our clientele.

Jonathan Dickinson: So why the fuck are we here doing this work? Why did you guys start?

Trevor Millar: Jose?

Jose Inzunza: So let’s see, since I was a kid, I’ve been feeling the need to help people. I don’t know why. That’s been something that my mom saw in the beginning. And then that’s why I jumped into paramedic school and all that stuff. But when I saw my first patient, for example, seeing going through ibogaine for me, I got trapped by how a substance can be that powerful. So I was really ignorant at that time. I was a kid, I was 19 years old.

Trevor Millar: How did you even get invited to your first Ibogaine treatment?

Jose Inzunza: So I was working in an ambulance, you know? I got invited to go and be in a cycle. You know, as a paramedic. A caregiver.

Trevor Millar: Yeah. A caregiver, right.

Jonathan Dickinson: You were a senior paramedic and caregiver.

Jose Inzunza: Exactly. Yeah. And I was just the rookie paramedic going into the first ibogaine treatment, you know, and then, yeah, so I stayed all night doing that, and being from somebody doing that, which is just laying down, but I don’t know, it was an amazing experience. You know, she was doing detox. And then 12 after that she was –

Jonathan Dickinson: So you were sitting there all night, all night.

Jose Inzunza: Like, really all night. I was like, this is cool. Like she’s hallucinating and checking her vitals and checking her heart monitor. This is like a dream for me. You know, this is like, I really like psychedelics and that stuff. And I was like, I can do both here. And then the client, it was like 12 hours after. Like she was hardcore addict, super hardcore addict, and she was fucking great. He was crawling for life, and willing! And I was like, what the fuck you just did and then I just catch up. And then I just got trapped.

Jonathan Dickinson: When you say when you say trapped, what is it the Spanish word that you’re thinking of in your head?

Jose Inzunza: Trap? I thought about –

Jonathan Dickinson: That’s literal.

Trevor Millar: Yeah. We always laugh at Jose’s use of trapped because we think trapped is a negative thing. But you’re saying it like a positive.

Jose Inzunza: Yeah, very positive.

Jonathan Dickinson: You got pulled in.

Trevor Millar: “I was compelled. I couldn’t escape.”

Jose Inzunza: Yeah.

Trevor Millar: But I think, no, no, I think you should keep using traps. I just think we should clarify.

Jose Inzunza: But yeah, man, like, how did you guys get trapped by this?

Trevor Millar: It’s funny because I always refer to something I termed the Iboga vortex, which is when you hear about Ibogaine or something, somebody mentions it, and all of a sudden, you get sucked in and you’re eventually going to do it. So we all kind of had that Iboga vortex that’s even coming to work with it. Yeah, so it is kind of like the vortex is a trap. You’re sucked in.

Jonathan Dickinson: Yeah, I mean, I was in high school, other than, like a military family moving all the time. And just in one of the shifts from like, one small town vibe to another location that was very different. It was a little jarring. So I went through a normal, hard time and I went to the doctor, and they made me fill out this 10 question questionnaire. And at the end of it, it said Zoloft on the top, you know what I mean? Like it was a Zoloft questionnaire. After I filled it out.

Trevor Millar: No way.

Jonathan Dickinson: They basically said that I scored enough points. So I need to get Zoloft. So that’s how I started taking it. And then, you know, when I eventually had to go see another doctor, I got switched on to Effexor, and then I wasn’t able to sleep and they added Celexa and like they were just throwing shit at me.

Trevor Millar: How old were you?

Jonathan Dickinson: I mean, I was in grade 10. So I was a kid still though, I was 14 years old, I was pissed off, I had some reasons to be pissed off, and that’s what the solution was. So but at some point, I was just told them to fuck off. Like, I wasn’t going to take the medication anymore. But then I had a really hard time, like I was going to periods where, like I was, I ended up in philosophy school, that was the lowest. That was like the lowest point. But just like going into these classrooms with these fluorescent lights, and kind of trying to study about, like, monads, or whatever the fuck we were talking about. But I was, I was so much in my head that I would go back out, and I wouldn’t really understand why there was any contiNuity to reality, like, Why does my car park in the same place where I parked like, like, it was so so much in like a fantasy version of reality. And so I mean, if I was going to be on the DSM I would have been depersonalization or derealization, where you don’t kind of fully identify as a person or what reality is or what it isn’t. And so that’s what I was going through.

Trevor Millar: Do you think that was largely caused by coming off the medication or that’s what put you on the medication?

Jonathan Dickinson: I think it was largely caused by the medication. But I mean, I also had this urge, since I was young to change my state, like I grew up, my folks would read literature to us, you know what I mean? Like we would read, like, ‘The Hobbit’ or so I was, and then I just dove into books. And then at one point, when I was in high school, I read this book called ‘Writing on Drugs’. And it was why like, it was the course of literature and Western civilization, and how different stories came about at different times because people had access to different drugs to be able to think differently about them. So like Mary Shelley, when she wrote ‘Frankenstein’ had access to Laudium, which was, like opium that gets stored in an alcohol that you drink and stuff. So it’s a very trippy booze, but yeah, just different. Anyways, I got very pulled in by this idea of literature being this place in the imagination that you could go, but then realizing that these authors and people were maybe having these experiences that were bringing them out, so I was interested in the literature, as like the result of something, but then that there was these worlds that maybe existed that you could actually experience. So I knew I wanted to be working with psychedelics long before I ever took them. That was like high school, but that was gonna be my path. So eventually, I dropped out of philosophy school and went down to Mexico and took a lot of psychedelics that helped, you know? Like, I don’t know if you guys have had that experience at some point, but where I wasn’t feeling like things were real, or I wasn’t feeling like a person, all of a sudden, I felt like I was in my body. And I was in reality that I kind of came back into myself. And yeah, it was really powerful.

Jose Inzunza: I feel related to that. Like, like, not not in that consciousness state. But for me, it was like I was not conscious about anything. Like life, my childhood, it was like, automatic, I still have issues with that. You know, like, everything it was like, I don’t know, I was choosing out of my automatic mode. And my first thing was weed. Obviously, I did it when I was 18, 19 years old. And it opened my head in a really positive way. And then it was acid, mushrooms. But once I did it, that was the thing that they were like, Oh, I feel like what you’re saying, like, this is me. What the fuck, like, now I have agency, you know, like, and then that’s what I started going crazy with school and achieving stuff. Because in the past I also know, I was, you know, I was really distracted, ADHD older shared, like, super distracted, and it was crazy. So I feel really lucky psychedelics did that to me.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, I remember when I was a kid. I don’t know how old I was. But I remember where I was. There was a room in our house that was considered the playroom. And I kind of had my hand on the doorknob going into the playroom. And something, I feel like The Matrix completely descended upon me. And all of a sudden I realize I’m like, oh, there’s no magic in the world at all. And I just totally, the rational pinball materialistic universe sank upon me. And I was like, ah, that sucks. There’s no magic at all. And then I think that’s what psychedelics did for me, thinking back on it, is it reintroduced the possibility of magic and just something greater than just this boring materialistic world. And I think my, my, yeah, my first time doing LSD. I was only 14 years old. But I remember coming home that night and lying in bed and just having the kind of classic psychedelic swirls going on in my head as I’m trying to fall asleep. Not very well. But yeah, just psychedelics overall, just reintroduced that potential of magic to me. And you know, magic. Magic is more it’s kind of sleight of hand trickster illusion not really happening, but I think it brings you in touch with kind of this deeper level of reality that’s exciting again, oh, yeah, life does have some unknown to it. Let’s explore that.

Jose Inzunza: Yeah. Life can be really psychedelic.

Trevor Millar: It should be.

Jonathan Dickinson: For me, it was almost the opposite. Like I was so much in my head. And I was obsessed with ideas, like magic, tarot cards, or astrology and stuff. And they kind of made me excited about reality. And they made me excited about it, just even, especially after I ibogaine, there was a little bit of obsession. So going after all the acid and the mushrooms are still a little bit of like, being up in my head. And after, really, you know, getting immersed in ibogaine, that was gone. And it was just even waking up and having like, mundane chores to do or like day to day, things all of a sudden had a kind of element of magic, like, you know, just being alive or just the material existence. You know what I mean? All of a sudden it seemed enough, like I didn’t need anything else more magical to be there. I could just be with what it was. That’s how I kind of felt.

Trevor Millar: Beautiful. So, what do we want this podcast to be? What do we want the podcast to be?

Jose Inzunza: I think we should talk about optimization.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, I think that’s something that we’re talking about right now. Yeah, I think that’s crucial. I think with the quote unquote ‘Psychedelic Renaissance’ happening. It’s, it’s all about the therapeutic use, you know, and how to heal yourself. That’s the general conversation. There’s not much conversation about the recreational use of these substances anymore, although we can talk about that in this podcast too and then there’s this therapeutic use, but I think the untapped horizon is the optimization. Like how do you, as I always say, and I always say before, I always say it is, these substances are really good at getting you from minus 10 to zero, but they’re also really getting good at getting you from zero to plus 10 or beyond.

Jose Inzunza: Like, people probably think there’s this riskiness to it, it’s like oh, yeah, that’s true. So yeah, I think we should talk about optimization, we’ll talk about detoxification, we should also talk about regeneration, and optimization. There’s really specific topics that we can share here, and also tools to embrace all these groups of phenomenal things happening with psychedelics.

Jonathan Dickinson: I mean, for me, that’s kind of where I had come from, and then when I got really involved with Ibogaine, it was all about opiate detox. Which was incredible, like being able to witness that, it almost felt like a more extreme version of what I was going through, like having a really difficult switch to make to get back to the point where baseline reality is enough. And so it was incredible to be able to watch. And I think since we’ve been working with all these guys coming from the (Navy) SEAL community and other parts of the military background, it’s been this opportunity where there’s another story that has emerged about what Ibogaine is, and what it does, that people can kind of hear and understand and connect with. But I think there’s a lot more to it. So I think if we, I think, you know, there’s gonna be amazing research that’s coming out over the next couple of years. You know, we’re doing some, there’s a lot going on, it’s gonna be incredible to watch. And I still think the way that people have found out about this, and connected with it first and what it was, was hearing, in long form, how other people that they know and related with experienced it, you know what I mean? So I think podcasts have been a really incredible sort of counterpoint like, where it’s not about statistics, it’s just about somebody’s story. And like really deeply being able to explore what that means. So my hope is that here, we could explore a bunch of other stories. What it is.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, we know a lot of really fucking cool people. Whether it’s these elite, like the elite of the elite soldiers that we’ve been treated, a lot of them are well known. Some of them, not many people know, but to speak to them to get their stories out to get. Yeah, stories of detox and recovery from drugs and alcohol. I love the line, “there’s a rocket ship at rock bottom”. So connecting those people who, you know, have been to the depths of hell, I think, quite literally, and how they’ve completely transformed. And then we know so many people from the psychedelic community, some of the OG’s, that have been really trying to push this forward. Guys, like, you know, Rick Doblin, Dennis McKenna, I think we could easily get those guys on the show. And I think the neat thing about the audience that this show’s going to hopefully attract is because we do work with so many soldiers, and kind of more people from that more conservative way of being. I think a lot of people like that will tune in, and we’ll be able to put people who have been around and might be more considered ‘left leaning’ kind of psychedelic from the hippie age, but who are serious scientists, serious players in this community, and get those – use this podcast as a bridge to kind of bring the left and the right together on this super important issue for all of us.

Jose Inzunza: I’m down, I’m excited to sit for these with you. Yeah, we’re excited to do this. Yeah, for sure sharing those powerful stories with the people that have been here with us and also addressing the knowledge for the people that are hearing us, so they can get more of what is going on out there of the research or whatever, and understanding the therapeutic effects of psychedelics. We’re focused on the power of the therapy that we believe in.

Jonathan Dickinson: Yeah, I think there’s all kinds of angles. I mean, one of the core principles of Ambio is this union of science and spirituality. And so I think we can explore a lot of these things. And I think, you know, there’s a lot that we’ve seen, you know, people will get focused on around how ibogaine works. And I think that we’ve been able to explore some other levels of what it does, even in the body, you know, what I mean? Like when we’re, when we’re trying to digest the science and the research that’s going on, we have to do that in conversation, so that we can fully understand it. Because we come from different backgrounds. I’m a psychologist, you (Jose) come from a medical background, we all come from, we all have different perspectives and angles, even within ourselves that we look at it from. But when we’re able to put those in conversation, that’s when I think we can find simpler kinds of narratives and find more of a shared understanding. But I really think that as we start to do that, it’s going to change how we all think about what Ibogaine is and what it’s doing for us.

Jose Inzunza: Yeah, we’re still learning. It’s like, it’s like, it’s like an ocean. And we’re just putting our feet in the water.

Trevor Millar: It’s such a, it’s such a unique substance, such a unique molecule, what little we do know about it scientifically, it kind of is, you know, blowing people’s minds, it works on multiple cell receptor sites, it seems to be doing something psychologically, as a lot of these psychedelic substances do but Ibogaine also seems to be doing something on the physical level, like you can, you can, you know, virtually take somebody off heroin overnight without the painful withdrawal. So it’s going in and doing something to basically every cell in the body to help it move away from those painful withdrawals that come from coming off opiates. And then it seems to be helping with traumatic brain injury, like going in and even showing up on brain scans, the brains getting healthier, and even younger. We are all very proud to have been part of a study with Stanford University, which has now been published in the journal ‘Nature Medicine’, one of the top five medical journals on Earth. I think we’ll, we could probably tap into Nolan Williams, the doctor at Stanford and probably have him on the podcast at some point, maybe even in person, he’s coming down soon enough. So I think that’s another thing. The format might shift. We’re in person here right now. But we might have to do zoom calls with people moving forward, or? Yeah, we’ll see how it all unfolds.

Jose Inzunza: For sure, yeah.

Jonathan Dickinson: Yeah, there’s a lot to unpack. I mean, like everything you said, ibogaine is working on all these neurotransmitter sites. And that’s been for a long time, that’s been that’s been people are saying is the mechanism could be resetting the dopamine system. It could be, you know, there’s a couple of different neurotransmitter mechanisms, we can talk in detail about it, but that there’s actually something much more fundamental that is causing all those neurotransmitter effects. And that’s where we start to drill into kind of like a rabbit hole, where there’s still a mysterious component that pushes the limits of what we can explain neuro pharmacologically. Like there’s a paper that came out recently that said, it’s, it’s opaque in terms of our understanding of our ability to be able to ascribe in the current language, so there’s little clues that we can look at so far, and we’re gonna be able to dig deeper. But we can talk a little bit about what that pathway looks like and why it’s so amazing.

Jose Inzunza: For sure. We’ll be excited to talk about that, too. Because we’re learning about it. Yeah. And yeah, you say it’s all about transmitter they’re holding a bunch of theories like there is a word that we cannot say because YouTube is gonna shut us but if people commit, or they want to commit –

Trevor Millar: They want to end their own life.

Jose Inzunza: They want to end their life, ibogaine has been really helpful for that. I mean, it’s been really helpful in really extreme spheres in life. Really extreme spheres of life. And there is stuff that hasn’t been out there yet. So, yeah, for sure we can talk about how ibogaine makes that connection in the body, but also, how’s that connection with the mind? Because there is another huge part, we want to understand that even more, you know, what was happening with the people, but yeah, like things like solar energy, things like that, we’ll talk about that. But for sure, what is the connection with that?

Jonathan Dickinson: Is that something that’s happening on a physical level and you feel amazing but you’re also experiencing it, like, there’s something very fundamental about the connection between the mind and the body, but like, really in the body.

Jose Inzunza: So like, guys, like, I got involved in this because it’s the only system that I know, that makes this whole shift in the body in a really positive way.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, Nolan called it a symphony. Like ibogaine unleashes some kind of a symphony within the body.

Jose Inzunza: I agree with that. Yeah, like a mastermind in the body and orchestrates everything. Beautiful homeostatic way.

Trevor Millar: We’re just starting to learn about it. And we’re just starting to you know, we all have seen again and again, and it doesn’t get old, the near miraculous ability for Ibogaine to get people off opiates, it’s wild. But we’re only just uncovering other things that can do like this whole traumatic brain injury thing is new. Parkinson’s disease has been spoken about before we’ve seen that work. Multiple Sclerosis, we’ve seen it work on that. I’ve seen it work for fibromyalgia, we have a case of lupus being nearly reversed now. So it’s like what else can Ibogaine do? A friend of mine had a journey and the Ibogaine told her, I can heal anything. And I don’t know, that’s a pretty big claim. And at the same time, I’m starting to think that with enough time, with enough medicine, with the right protocol, I would be surprised if Ibogaine couldn’t help with just about everything.

Jonathan Dickinson: To some degree, right?

Trevor Millar: Yeah, to some degree. Yeah.

Jose Inzunza: And like, like a tool. But if you add more tools to the powerful tool, you know, but like, in our terms, people really are worried about their safety. Because there have been a lot of situations in the past, you know, I think there are a lot of myths about safety. And we’re trying to work on that too. So people can be clear about what is going on, and who can actually take it, who cannot actually take this is, there is just a lot of misinformation out there. You know, whatever – most of the heart conditions, it’s just a few of them you know, that you cannot treat them, and metabolic syndrome. So it’s about all the safety and about all this knowledge is getting together, so people can understand more, we can understand more, providing a beautiful way. And my goal since the beginning has been to provide it to everyone and make sure that most everyone can take it, you know, even the people that say you cannot take it right now. Whoa, the body says this, the body has the ability to recuperate itself. So you’ve had good nutrition. Do you have a good electrolyte balance? If you have a good Asana routine in the morning, for sure, whatever you have, I believe that it’s going to get them to a point where you’re going to be able to take it, you know, most of the people and we have been shown that.

Jonathan Dickinson: So you remember when Howard Lotsof in Staten Island 1962 was addicted to heroin and a chemist friend of his gave him some Ibogaine, and he told him, “I think you’d be interested in this. It’s an African psychedelic, that has effects that will last 36 hours.”, and he said, “Fuck that. I’m not going to take that.”, but he gave it to somebody else and that person the next night, in the middle of the night, he called him up at home and said, “We have to tell Congress, it’s a food.” And that I thought that insight sounds so quirky, but when we’re talking about what it’s doing on a cellular level, and when you’re talking about Hippocrates that our medicine should be our food. There’s some very fundamental way where it’s nourishing the body, and it’s doing it in such a way that it reveals that connection between the mind and the body. It’s really bizarre. You know, obviously that inspired him to go and take some himself afterwards and we all learned that ibogaine helped him get off of heroin but yeah, the idea that it’s a food.

Trevor Millar: That’s cool. That’s another thing I think we’ll be able to bring to the table here is, for one what you were just talking about Ibogaine is known as the potentially dangerous psychedelic, and it is a potentially dangerous psychedelic, but it doesn’t have to be. And I think that’s the key is, yeah, I think you can get just about everybody to the point where they can take Ibogaine we’ve given it to 75 year old human beings, I think if you can’t take it today, here’s a protocol to get yourself in shape so that you can take it one day. And you talking about Howard (Lotsof) reminds me you are currently writing the definitive history of Ibogaine into a book. So the bedrock of knowledge you’ve put together over the years, is, I think, going to be a very important part of kind of the cultural history around this psychedelic, which has kind of been sitting on the backburner for a while, and now is becoming one of the most talked about psychedelics of them all.

Jonathan Dickinson: I think when you’re talking about safety –

Jose Inzunza: You gotta let us know here when you’re gonna publish it. So people can know. Like me, personally, I’m excited.

Trevor Millar: I can’t wait, I need your book, I need your book.

Jose Inzunza: Guys, it’s gonna be really good stuff in the book. So just stay calm.

Jonathan Dickinson: It excites me. And then there’s times where I hit a little bit of a wall anyway. When you’re talking about safety, um, that for me, I was able to work around Ibogaine for close to a decade before actually opening a clinic. And that I think that was one of the big questions, really, the reason for doing it was in part, because seeing all this advocacy work that had been involved in and I’ve seen other people do, where people really wanted to see this available, you know what I mean? Like, more people should have access to this. But in order to do that, you have to figure out how to scale something up, that’s very complicated to be able to scale. And so the problem that we’re attempting to solve is, how do you start to do it at scale. And we really think that it’s important, critical, I think that it’s happening with a really clear understanding from the bottom up of like, what a treatment needs to look like, rather than coming from the top down with clinical trials and trying to just assume that you can scientifically know all the problems that are going to come up, but like being able to come from a very solid base of knowledge and build up towards that kind of idea. I think it’s important because as you scale, you really have to be able to – there’s a percentage, right of like, problems that can come up huge. There’s a percentage, like if you look at the statistics before about, like how many people had done ibogaine, and how many deaths that happened, there was 1 in 311 cases that resulted in a fatality, which is like, what a third of a percent. That’s too high when you start to treat a lot of people. So you have to be able to get a hold of that dial and turn it all the way down. You know what I mean? So that you’re in as much control as possible, about fatality. Like, that’s just it’s just not an acceptable response. Right?

Jose Inzunza: Yes.

Jonathan Dickinson: So, I mean, that’s the problem that we’ve been looking at trying to solve.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, I think I remember a specific interview with Dennis McKenna, and he was talking, he was talking about psychedelics kind of coming on the mainstream, and being more welcomed into the, you know, Western medical model. And him just being like “Yeah, bu the Western medical model as we have it now is not going to work for psychedelics, there’s, there’s more of the the whole set and setting part of things.” So set refers to the mindset, a person goes into the treatment, and the setting is the place where the person does the treatment. And the last place you want to be taking psychedelics is in a hospital bed, or, you know, maybe a nice doctor’s office might be all right, but most doctor’s offices are not okay. So I really feel like that’s what we’re solving as Ambio. We are building again, from the ground up, what does psychedelic therapy look like in mass? Because I think that’s another thing we can kind of pat ourselves on the back for is we’ve, we’ve each got more than 10 years experience coming into this, closer to 15 years experience each coming into this. So combined, I think for sure we’ve got more combined experience than anybody else in this game. But yeah, that’s working together. And now we’ve treated more than 1000 people in the short two and a half years that we’ve been doing this. So the volume is there. And we’ve learned so much in the couple of years that we’ve been doing this, that, yeah, I’m stoked about us coming together on this podcast and getting the word out about what we’re doing in this little corner of Mexico.

Jose Inzunza: And I think we’re achieving that as you’re saying, I think, we are achieving that scaling, situational process. And I think we’re doing it with a really solid base, you know, then that makes us feel comfortable to scale. So, yeah, I’m happy. I’m happy with that. But also keep learning. Right and keep evolving, our protocols. Yeah, like we have been working a lot of the protocols, guys, that’s one of the first things, and Ambio is really focused on safety. Our values are love, integrity, safety, reciprocity, and trust. Those are our values. Really, really, we’re trying to be in touch with those values.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, I think for the most part, we live, we live them. Yeah.

Jose Inzunza: For sure.

Trevor Millar: Except some of us are still on Mexican time.

Jose Inzunza: Yeah. Cultural. Pura Vida! Yes, I think there’s gonna be a lot of beef to tackle here.

Jonathan Dickinson: Beef in English means that you got a problem with somebody.

Trevor Millar: You mean there’s meat?

Jose Inzunza: It’s gonna be a lot of good stuff.

Trevor Millar: Yeah, there’s a lot of substance. There’s a lot of different rabbit holes we can go down with this, whether it’s the biological side of things, what’s happening in the body, what’s happening in the mind, and then the spiritual side of things, which is, you know, who knows what’s actually happening? You know, there’s so much speculation even. That’s why I love that more science is being done so that at least we can try and tap into what’s being done on the biological level. But that’s still only going to take us so far. Because this is some crazy mystical plant medicine, with an attitude and a mind of its own. I wonder how much it will let us know it.

Jose Inzunza: Beautiful consciousness.

Trevor Millar: Cool. Well, I think that’s a good first episode, I think we should say really since there are cameras filming us and this looks an awful lot like beer, this is a hazy IPA, that is a Guinness but they are both non alcoholic. We’re in the golden age of non alcoholic beer. So yeah, health, fitness, vitality, optimization, regeneration, detoxification, all things this world sorely needs right now. And let’s use The Ambio Podcast as a vehicle to help get it to the people

Jose Inzunza: Cheers, guys.

Jonathan Dickinson: Cheers, guys.

Jose Inzunza: Let us know, link in the comments whatever you guys want to talk about, questions.. anything you guys want to know regarding psychedelic safety, optimization.

Trevor Millar: This is for you!

Jose Inzunza: Thank you guys.

Trevor Millar: Take care everyone.

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